Friday, October 26, 2007

What's Wrong With Teen Nudity?

The other day I was listening to a bimbo talk show host who was scandalized that a nudist resort in Virginia or someplace allowed teens. He seemed to feel that while it was OK for consenting adults to practice nudity, it was horrifying that teens would be allowed to practice nudity. In fact, he thought it was downright immoral of the resort to allow teens in.

Now, I happen to think the talk show host was making a moutain out of a mole hill. For some years ago, I was acquainted with many teens in this town, several of whom would invite me to go along with them on their various excursions, which were often to a nude resort up in the mountains. I recall a number of things about those trips, including staying up until three in the morning in the sauna listening to the teens discuss relationships, sex and God, or being sought out by one teen or another for private chats about their anxieties, but I don't recall that any kids were traumatized by their experiences on these trips. So, I tend to think the bimbo talk show host was just being a bimbo.

But what do you think? Do you think the bimbo talk show host for once had a point? Is there a danger to teen nudity that I didn't see (wouldn't be the first time I haven't seen something)? Should teens be allowed in nudist resorts?


ordinarygirl said...

I think there's been a heightened fear in our society of kids being molested. I know my husband won't even consider being friendly with neighborhood kids because he's afraid he might get accused of something improper.

In movies, books, and video games parents are more likely to be outraged by sex than by violence, and the perception is that children are innocent and pure and to expose them to nudity or sex in any way will ruin their minds, addict them to pornography, and turn them into sexual deviants.

But the fact is that most children have sex before they become adults. If I ever have kids I would encourage them to wait because of the risks of pregnancy, disease, and emotional maturity, but I'm not naive enough to think it won't happen.

And I think it's ridiculous that nudity is thought of as dirty. Sure, it can be, but a person can be fully clothed and still be very sexually suggestive. But I don't think most people can separate the concepts of nudity and sex.

Paul said...

Ordinary Girl, it disturbs me that so many people cannot seem to separate nudity from sex. When I've been at a nudist resort, separating sex and nudity has seemed ridiculously easy -- even for naturally horny teens.

bahamat said...

If it's going to be photographed they've got to understand that there's no going back.

If they're cool with that, it's their choice.... but I do suspect they are vulnerable to rape

decrepitoldfool said...

Laws on pictures of naked kids, in particular, are way out of proportion. 17-year-olds face being tried as adults and sent away for a long time for taking pictures of each other.

As a culture we still have not come to terms with sexuality, and in particular with the fact that people don't suddenly start having sexual feelings on their 18th birthday.

As for plain ol' nudity, it is seen as an incitement to sex - another "gift" of our culture.

Why do you torture yourself listening to news bobbleheads?

robtex said...

The talk shows you listen to are never in the business of academic inquiries or intellectual pursuits. More they are marketing to a specific audience, in the same a politician may appeal to voters in his district--by demographics. In that regard it may be of interest to know who the target audience is or is perceived to be as it will have an impact on opinions conveyed.

I think though that while it may seem inherit for naturalist colonies or resorts to be innocent that possibly such an institution may have a higher allure to the small minority of people who are predatory by nature due to the paradigm presented. It has the potential to be opportunistic.

With putting that thought on the table the transition from idea to actual resort would need to have strong checks, balances and precautions to consider and if the conception from idea to facility could not be conservatively accommodated to eclipse such areas that could be opportunistic for someone of a predatory mindset.

I am myself far too ignorant in this area to know the answer to the question of safety in a naturalist colony but feel they are paramount due to my perceived potential for possible harm. As neutral and natural as the idea sounds, it would be foolhardy to think all who participated in such a facility would have the a neutral intent.

Enreal said...

I do not see a problem with the teens in such places, it would be the adults that were attracted to these places with that knowledge.

aos said...

I think its part of the fear of children or young teenagers having sex with each other. We know that sex and nudity need not be connected but in this both cloistered and prurient society we have so sexualized body display that we cannot help but think that way.

If they are having sex with each other, they have the power. And it bothers us that they have broached the mystery that we like to think is ours alone.

Webs said...

I think people definitely need to relax on the sex issue. But I think our TV culture has helped increase this fear of nudity and sex.

Almost every sitcom and drama show on TV has in some way demonized sex. Most of the time it's done by showing how awkward it is to talk about sex with your kids.

I get pretty pissed every time I see that. It's complete BS and we need to drop it. You can't close your eyes cover your ears and scream LA LA LA LA LA... and wish away they thought that your kid might have sex.

Besides the fact that I don't think sex is a big deal, I think it's important that parents talk to their kids about sex. When you educate someone you tend to put them in a position where they can make smarter decisions.

amuirin said...

I think enreal stumbled on the real problem. Maybe you don't correlate nudity with sex, even if a nubile teenage girl is standing naked in front of you, but I don't that's true of a lot of adult men. It is exploitave of minors, even if they are 'ok' with it, most teenage girls don't really understand how their bodies will provoke graphic and unwelcome thoughts in the minds of the opposite sex.

I wouldn't want my daughter to be naked at a resort filled with strange men, and I'd be horribly uncomfortable about the thought of her sitting naked in a sauna 'bonding' with a grown man. Any sort of bonding that is appropriate can be done with her fully clothed, and hopefully a decent distance away from him.

If they were using naked teenagers to promote a movie most of us would think that disgusting. Why are naked teens in a resort any different?

Paul said...

"Why do you torture yourself listening to news bobbleheads?" -- DOF.

I'm getting better at that, DOF. I used to tune into the bimbos much more often than I do now. Nowadays, it's about twice a month -- but whenever I do tune in, it always seems they are saying something ridiculous.

Amuirin, it's ironic that before I started frequenting naturalist resorts, my views were very similar to yours. Few people have been as surprised as I have been. I expected being nude with others would increase my sexual desires. But what I actually experienced was a lessening of those desires. I've wondered about that ever since, but I still don't know why nudity has that effect. It's counter-intuitive, isn't it?

Webs said...

Paul: I think you may have hit on something there... Partly I think the explanation is along the lines of "We all want what we can't have".

It's wrong and immoral in our society to have people walk around naked or to see others when they are naked. Yet people constantly wear more and more revealing clothes in our society. So to me it seems like we create this system where sex and seeing people naked is craved by the somewhat revealing clothes (think string bikinis on a clothing mandatory beach).

Where when one is constantly surrounded by people that are naked, it no longer becomes some mystifying thing. It just becomes natural and the sexual arousal from seeing someone naked becomes more and more diminished. To almost all people that are part of a naked community, from what I have read, interactions are very non-sexual even though people are nude.

Paul said...

Webs, you have put it better than I have. Thank you!